1 00:00:22,050 --> 00:00:09,100 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:28,810 --> 00:00:24,790 hello and welcome to the skeptics on 3 00:00:33,910 --> 00:00:28,820 episode number 324 for the 4th of 4 00:00:37,990 --> 00:00:33,920 January 2015 2015 Richard Saunders here 5 00:00:43,420 --> 00:00:38,000 with you from a very hot oh good hot and 6 00:00:45,549 --> 00:00:43,430 sticky sweaty humid me moist who is my 7 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:45,559 thesaurus that sort of weather Wow 8 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:48,170 it is a warm one in Sydney but our 9 00:00:53,500 --> 00:00:50,170 thoughts go to the people in Adelaide 10 00:00:56,439 --> 00:00:53,510 especially in the Adelaide Hills where 11 00:00:58,600 --> 00:00:56,449 there are dreadful fires raging and 12 00:01:01,360 --> 00:00:58,610 sadly we hear of our loss of property 13 00:01:03,579 --> 00:01:01,370 and lots of animals have been perished 14 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:03,589 unfortunately I haven't heard of loss of 15 00:01:09,130 --> 00:01:06,370 life but well we'll hope for the best 16 00:01:11,550 --> 00:01:09,140 but coming up on this week's episode of 17 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:11,560 the skeptic zone to kick off 2015 18 00:01:17,289 --> 00:01:14,690 Maynard Maynard interviews Peter 19 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:17,299 Hadfield who is a really good journalist 20 00:01:23,950 --> 00:01:19,610 and what I really love about his work is 21 00:01:29,499 --> 00:01:23,960 the videos he puts on YouTube under the 22 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:29,509 handle potholer 54 if you if you're not 23 00:01:35,740 --> 00:01:32,329 subscribed on YouTube to pothole of 54 I 24 00:01:37,149 --> 00:01:35,750 can really recommend it wonderful I hate 25 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:37,159 to use the word or sometimes I don't 26 00:01:41,980 --> 00:01:39,770 hate to use the word debunking videos 27 00:01:45,459 --> 00:01:41,990 well sort of debunking looking into the 28 00:01:48,130 --> 00:01:45,469 issues climate change he looks into and 29 00:01:50,529 --> 00:01:48,140 creationism especially really 30 00:01:54,819 --> 00:01:50,539 interesting educational stuff he also 31 00:01:57,010 --> 00:01:54,829 has the golden Crocodoc award outrageous 32 00:01:59,279 --> 00:01:57,020 things like creationism and things like 33 00:02:01,929 --> 00:01:59,289 that find out more when Maynard 34 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:01,939 interviews Peter Hadfield coming up to 35 00:02:07,630 --> 00:02:04,130 kick off the show and once again this 36 00:02:10,029 --> 00:02:07,640 week via the weekend science is taking a 37 00:02:11,650 --> 00:02:10,039 break from the Royal Institution of 38 00:02:14,260 --> 00:02:11,660 Australia we are certainly looking 39 00:02:15,130 --> 00:02:14,270 forward to in week in science kicks off 40 00:02:18,910 --> 00:02:15,140 again 41 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:18,920 in the meantime always always visit our 42 00:02:25,300 --> 00:02:21,970 ia us dot org dot au there are wonderful 43 00:02:27,610 --> 00:02:25,310 scientific outreach organization and 44 00:02:29,890 --> 00:02:27,620 they've even got their own channel which 45 00:02:32,070 --> 00:02:29,900 is really interesting what I mean by 46 00:02:34,270 --> 00:02:32,080 that is they call it the Australia's 47 00:02:38,110 --> 00:02:34,280 science chat 48 00:02:40,449 --> 00:02:38,120 check it out there at RI aus dog dot au 49 00:02:41,739 --> 00:02:40,459 and as it happens there in Adelaide too 50 00:02:43,270 --> 00:02:41,749 but they're right in the center of the 51 00:02:46,770 --> 00:02:43,280 city so I think they're quite safe from 52 00:02:50,020 --> 00:02:46,780 the fires and then it's Jo alabaster 53 00:02:52,449 --> 00:02:50,030 evidence please with Jo alabaster Jo is 54 00:02:54,599 --> 00:02:52,459 going to be telling us about magnets 55 00:02:57,879 --> 00:02:54,609 magnetic therapy and especially 56 00:03:00,599 --> 00:02:57,889 concerning a book she bought science 57 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:00,609 book yes science which advocates 58 00:03:07,629 --> 00:03:04,609 magnetic therapy yeah and magnetic 59 00:03:11,849 --> 00:03:07,639 people magnetic people you should see 60 00:03:16,449 --> 00:03:11,859 the picture Jo has posted with them 61 00:03:20,409 --> 00:03:16,459 spoons and forks hanging off her body oh 62 00:03:23,009 --> 00:03:20,419 boy you can't eat no you can't more 63 00:03:26,020 --> 00:03:23,019 about that when Jo alabaster looks at 64 00:03:29,289 --> 00:03:26,030 magnets then to round off the show a 65 00:03:32,140 --> 00:03:29,299 special little side report from Maynard 66 00:03:35,949 --> 00:03:32,150 sort of continuing the theme of Maynard 67 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:35,959 talking to the other side may not visits 68 00:03:44,020 --> 00:03:39,530 a psychic fair fest a couple years back 69 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:44,030 now in Newcastle and speaks to psychic 70 00:03:50,649 --> 00:03:48,370 with err quotation marks Gary Weisman a 71 00:03:53,949 --> 00:03:50,659 little bit of an interesting insight 72 00:03:56,969 --> 00:03:53,959 short report to round off the show now 73 00:04:01,569 --> 00:03:56,979 an important item appeared in today's 74 00:04:06,219 --> 00:04:01,579 Telegraph newspaper with the heading 75 00:04:08,949 --> 00:04:06,229 ex-hippies jab at MU mythology by Jane 76 00:04:11,050 --> 00:04:08,959 Hansen I won't read out the article 77 00:04:13,179 --> 00:04:11,060 today you can find it online now put 78 00:04:15,189 --> 00:04:13,189 some links but our good friends at the 79 00:04:18,449 --> 00:04:15,199 Northern Rivers vaccination supporters 80 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:18,459 group Heidi Robertson and Allison gala 81 00:04:25,180 --> 00:04:23,330 well the story is really about them and 82 00:04:27,159 --> 00:04:25,190 how they've sort of set up the Northern 83 00:04:28,209 --> 00:04:27,169 Rivers vaccination supporters group and 84 00:04:30,219 --> 00:04:28,219 so on and so on 85 00:04:35,339 --> 00:04:30,229 and boy have they been comping it online 86 00:04:37,899 --> 00:04:35,349 from the flying monkeys the anti-vaxxers 87 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:37,909 it's interesting interesting sort of 88 00:04:41,950 --> 00:04:40,370 look into psychology too because a lot 89 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:41,960 of people feel very strongly because 90 00:04:47,650 --> 00:04:45,770 these two are seen as traitors quislings 91 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:47,660 and there's nothing worse than 92 00:04:53,110 --> 00:04:50,210 being branded a traitor to a cause or a 93 00:04:56,260 --> 00:04:53,120 movement or a way of thinking being 94 00:04:58,390 --> 00:04:56,270 branded a heretic one might say it's 95 00:05:00,820 --> 00:04:58,400 psychology it's human nature it's really 96 00:05:03,610 --> 00:05:00,830 interesting and of course yes the flying 97 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:03,620 monkeys have come out and been very 98 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:06,890 nasty as they do this is what these 99 00:05:12,850 --> 00:05:09,650 people are like I think we're going to 100 00:05:16,180 --> 00:05:12,860 be hearing more about this on next 101 00:05:17,950 --> 00:05:16,190 week's episode of the skeptic zone but 102 00:05:19,930 --> 00:05:17,960 just be aware that this is out there as 103 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:19,940 the story appeared in the newspaper 104 00:05:24,850 --> 00:05:21,890 about the Northern Rivers vaccination 105 00:05:27,100 --> 00:05:24,860 supporters group and them as an aside 106 00:05:29,610 --> 00:05:27,110 what I did recently was I made a special 107 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:29,620 copy of the vaccination Chronicles DVD 108 00:05:34,770 --> 00:05:31,970 for the Northern Rivers vaccination 109 00:05:39,310 --> 00:05:34,780 supporters a group it's sort of branded 110 00:05:41,050 --> 00:05:39,320 with their logo and their URL and 111 00:05:42,970 --> 00:05:41,060 there's even a special introduction from 112 00:05:44,110 --> 00:05:42,980 me talking about that area of New South 113 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:44,120 Wales and Northern Rivers 114 00:05:50,890 --> 00:05:47,810 I sent them some copies so I hope they 115 00:05:52,810 --> 00:05:50,900 they will come in handy and help get the 116 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:52,820 word around and if you want a copy of 117 00:06:08,890 --> 00:05:56,570 the vaccination Chronicles DVD I just 118 00:06:12,610 --> 00:06:08,900 visit www.mptv.org or sign it 119 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:12,620 post it off the artworks on the DVD 120 00:06:17,530 --> 00:06:14,450 itself if you want to print artwork and 121 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:17,540 the idea is that then you are free to 122 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:20,090 make as many copies and give them Y as 123 00:06:23,230 --> 00:06:21,650 you wish and all the people you give 124 00:06:24,430 --> 00:06:23,240 those copies to are free to make copies 125 00:06:27,850 --> 00:06:24,440 and give them away and give them away 126 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:27,860 and make copies check it out at skeptic 127 00:06:34,300 --> 00:06:33,050 zone TV oh it's still hot goodness me of 128 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:34,310 course it's all I had to turn off the 129 00:06:38,890 --> 00:06:35,810 air conditioning to do the introduction 130 00:06:41,470 --> 00:06:38,900 clap alright well I run downstairs and 131 00:06:45,220 --> 00:06:41,480 uh you know he you know what I did 132 00:06:49,060 --> 00:06:45,230 I went to ebay a few months ago I 133 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:49,070 thought well what can i buy for summer I 134 00:06:56,500 --> 00:06:53,090 found jumbo ice cube makers oh what fun 135 00:06:58,740 --> 00:06:56,510 I gave some to my nephews and nieces for 136 00:07:00,770 --> 00:06:58,750 Christmas and I've got two in the fridge 137 00:07:04,190 --> 00:07:00,780 jumbo ice cubes 138 00:07:06,050 --> 00:07:04,200 wow they're great this is not an ad for 139 00:07:08,210 --> 00:07:06,060 jumbo ice cube makers but if you want to 140 00:07:11,870 --> 00:07:08,220 buy one they're on eBay mm-hmm well I 141 00:07:29,839 --> 00:07:11,880 run downstairs and munch jumbo ice cubes 142 00:07:37,929 --> 00:07:34,800 here's Maynard spooky action at a 143 00:07:41,570 --> 00:07:40,129 look I better be pretty careful editing 144 00:07:43,100 --> 00:07:41,580 this because I've got Peter Hadfield 145 00:07:44,629 --> 00:07:43,110 here who's just been out there telling 146 00:07:46,009 --> 00:07:44,639 people that the put people on the bum 147 00:07:47,239 --> 00:07:46,019 thing when they do the Edit Peter what 148 00:07:48,529 --> 00:07:47,249 do you been out there telling us about 149 00:07:49,820 --> 00:07:48,539 journalists mind you I'm not a 150 00:07:52,100 --> 00:07:49,830 journalist I'm just some deal with the 151 00:07:54,979 --> 00:07:52,110 microphone oh that's the most dangerous 152 00:07:57,109 --> 00:07:54,989 seeing a dude with a microphone yeah I 153 00:07:59,059 --> 00:07:57,119 mean I think basically to make people 154 00:08:00,979 --> 00:07:59,069 aware of the fact that television is a 155 00:08:02,929 --> 00:08:00,989 very passive medium so we tend to watch 156 00:08:04,759 --> 00:08:02,939 an interview and it kind of flows over 157 00:08:06,559 --> 00:08:04,769 us and and at the end of you you you 158 00:08:09,259 --> 00:08:06,569 think you heard someone say something 159 00:08:12,409 --> 00:08:09,269 and what I wanted to show with the 160 00:08:14,689 --> 00:08:12,419 editing techniques and in in capable 161 00:08:16,759 --> 00:08:14,699 hands in honest hands you have to edit 162 00:08:18,379 --> 00:08:16,769 out of an hour-long interview you'll 163 00:08:19,759 --> 00:08:18,389 normally get maybe five minutes worth of 164 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:19,769 good material as opposed to this 165 00:08:25,669 --> 00:08:20,969 interview where you're just getting pure 166 00:08:27,619 --> 00:08:25,679 gold the whole time this is magic so you 167 00:08:29,509 --> 00:08:27,629 have to string these little bits of 168 00:08:32,540 --> 00:08:29,519 quotes together and you can't normally 169 00:08:34,670 --> 00:08:32,550 do that on television without making it 170 00:08:36,259 --> 00:08:34,680 very obvious because the videotape just 171 00:08:38,719 --> 00:08:36,269 won't allow for those kind of cuts 172 00:08:40,699 --> 00:08:38,729 without it showing up on the video now 173 00:08:42,649 --> 00:08:40,709 what about the old MTV inspired white 174 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:42,659 flash that's always a good anything here 175 00:08:46,730 --> 00:08:44,370 yeah well you know I mean there are 176 00:08:48,350 --> 00:08:46,740 honest ways of doing it I guess if you 177 00:08:50,090 --> 00:08:48,360 if you can make a transition from one 178 00:08:52,910 --> 00:08:50,100 part of a court to another so what they 179 00:08:54,740 --> 00:08:52,920 tend to do is they mask that edit by 180 00:08:57,470 --> 00:08:54,750 having what's called a cutaway now the 181 00:08:59,179 --> 00:08:57,480 cutaway is usually if it's a sit-down 182 00:09:02,749 --> 00:08:59,189 interview it'll be a clip of the 183 00:09:06,470 --> 00:09:02,759 interviewer which is interspersed to 184 00:09:08,059 --> 00:09:06,480 mask the audio edit and these kinds of 185 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:08,069 cutaways are so common we tend not to 186 00:09:12,620 --> 00:09:10,290 notice them and but what they're 187 00:09:15,139 --> 00:09:12,630 essentially doing is cutting down or 188 00:09:17,269 --> 00:09:15,149 shrinking or encapsulating the quote 189 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:17,279 from the interviewee which if it's done 190 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:20,250 honestly is fine the problem comes with 191 00:09:24,110 --> 00:09:22,290 dishonest and disreputable television 192 00:09:26,179 --> 00:09:24,120 programs and I mentioned in my speech 193 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:26,189 the conspiracy theory show on American 194 00:09:30,590 --> 00:09:28,290 television now you might be bad-mouthing 195 00:09:32,540 --> 00:09:30,600 conspiracy theory but it is no way got 196 00:09:34,429 --> 00:09:32,550 the credit ancient aliens agent aliens 197 00:09:36,170 --> 00:09:34,439 is my show it's got von Daniken on it I 198 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:36,180 would love to see I would like to see 199 00:09:40,879 --> 00:09:38,689 ancient aliens see what they make of 200 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:40,889 let's say of an interview with Richard 201 00:09:43,999 --> 00:09:42,300 Dawkins that would be fascinating you 202 00:09:45,390 --> 00:09:44,009 know they could get him to say just 203 00:09:47,370 --> 00:09:45,400 about anything 204 00:09:48,810 --> 00:09:47,380 and and you see that's the thing you can 205 00:09:50,820 --> 00:09:48,820 get someone to say just about anything 206 00:09:52,260 --> 00:09:50,830 and because it's on television you 207 00:09:53,370 --> 00:09:52,270 believe it because you're seeing the 208 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:53,380 person actually saying and what do you 209 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:55,570 reckon is the most outrageous use of 210 00:09:59,070 --> 00:09:56,890 that you've seen of someone being 211 00:10:01,050 --> 00:09:59,080 misquoted using editing well I mentioned 212 00:10:03,090 --> 00:10:01,060 in my speech that I think the most 213 00:10:05,190 --> 00:10:03,100 dangerous thing at the moment is the 214 00:10:06,690 --> 00:10:05,200 assault on climate science which is not 215 00:10:09,090 --> 00:10:06,700 just an assault on climate sciences an 216 00:10:10,470 --> 00:10:09,100 assault on geology glaciology all the 217 00:10:13,290 --> 00:10:10,480 other sciences involved in climate 218 00:10:15,390 --> 00:10:13,300 change and this is a concerted media 219 00:10:17,579 --> 00:10:15,400 campaign to discredit these things and 220 00:10:20,790 --> 00:10:17,589 unfortunately they do it using these 221 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:20,800 kinds of techniques the one that I 222 00:10:25,530 --> 00:10:22,930 mentioned was where they got Ben Santo 223 00:10:27,150 --> 00:10:25,540 who's quite a well-known figure to make 224 00:10:30,150 --> 00:10:27,160 it look as though he was admitting to 225 00:10:32,850 --> 00:10:30,160 have deleted crucial information from an 226 00:10:35,970 --> 00:10:32,860 IPCC report which he's denied doing and 227 00:10:37,769 --> 00:10:35,980 yet on the conspiracy show they they cut 228 00:10:39,750 --> 00:10:37,779 it and edit it in such a way that he 229 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:39,760 seems to be admitting it that is a very 230 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:41,410 dangerous thing of course you've gone 231 00:10:44,370 --> 00:10:42,970 head-to-head with Lord Monckton a bit 232 00:10:45,780 --> 00:10:44,380 there and him and I do share the whole 233 00:10:47,250 --> 00:10:45,790 bug ID thing going on there but he's 234 00:10:48,090 --> 00:10:47,260 taken it to an extreme obviously it's 235 00:10:50,190 --> 00:10:48,100 there's something going on in the House 236 00:10:51,510 --> 00:10:50,200 of Lords water I think and have you gone 237 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:51,520 with him have you met him personally if 238 00:10:56,910 --> 00:10:53,410 you guys come to blows yet no 239 00:11:00,630 --> 00:10:56,920 unfortunately not he actually wrote 240 00:11:02,519 --> 00:11:00,640 something on what's up with that which 241 00:11:05,910 --> 00:11:02,529 is a very famous I think the most famous 242 00:11:08,490 --> 00:11:05,920 climate denial I don't you like using 243 00:11:12,390 --> 00:11:08,500 the word denial it's not a good for me 244 00:11:15,210 --> 00:11:12,400 it sort of paints it as like you compare 245 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:15,220 it to the Holocaust and look what I say 246 00:11:21,269 --> 00:11:17,650 is you you can't deny something in 247 00:11:24,390 --> 00:11:21,279 science okay let me put this another way 248 00:11:27,570 --> 00:11:24,400 nothing in science is 100% and therefore 249 00:11:30,449 --> 00:11:27,580 to look at people who are critical of a 250 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:30,459 scientific theory as deniers is like 251 00:11:34,260 --> 00:11:31,930 they're denying something that is an 252 00:11:35,940 --> 00:11:34,270 absolute fact that is undeniable and I 253 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:35,950 don't think science can ever say that we 254 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:37,930 can never say that we know 100% that 255 00:11:41,790 --> 00:11:39,970 something is true that gets into the 256 00:11:43,350 --> 00:11:41,800 realms of religion so I don't like using 257 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:43,360 the word denied but certainly he's one 258 00:11:49,079 --> 00:11:45,730 of these people who is as a contrarian 259 00:11:50,790 --> 00:11:49,089 and this what's up with that website is 260 00:11:52,650 --> 00:11:50,800 the probably number one contrarian 261 00:11:56,530 --> 00:11:52,660 website now Lord Monckton went on there 262 00:11:58,780 --> 00:11:56,540 and and basically complained about my 263 00:12:00,130 --> 00:11:58,790 Moncton Buncombe series which I made 264 00:12:01,510 --> 00:12:00,140 which is doesn't you know basically 265 00:12:03,700 --> 00:12:01,520 pulling apart everything that he had 266 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:03,710 said unfortunately he made the mistake 267 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:05,450 of not actually watching the videos so 268 00:12:09,730 --> 00:12:07,850 he was he was attacking a straw man but 269 00:12:11,890 --> 00:12:09,740 that was fantastic because that gave me 270 00:12:14,230 --> 00:12:11,900 the opportunity to write to what's 271 00:12:15,910 --> 00:12:14,240 what's up with that and say well you've 272 00:12:19,030 --> 00:12:15,920 had Lord Monckton on do I have the right 273 00:12:21,970 --> 00:12:19,040 of reply and very begrudging Lee they 274 00:12:24,370 --> 00:12:21,980 allowed the right of reply as so I I 275 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:24,380 then tore into Lord Monckton and 276 00:12:29,110 --> 00:12:26,090 completely discredited everything he was 277 00:12:31,030 --> 00:12:29,120 saying and Lord Monckton very stupidly 278 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:31,040 said right I will respond to this 279 00:12:35,860 --> 00:12:34,250 fantastic and and then and then what's 280 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:35,870 up with that started calling it a debate 281 00:12:40,780 --> 00:12:38,450 so that right we have a debate and then 282 00:12:42,460 --> 00:12:40,790 he never responded I think he read it he 283 00:12:44,710 --> 00:12:42,470 saw the videos and he was so worried 284 00:12:46,450 --> 00:12:44,720 that he just decided not to respond and 285 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:46,460 we've been trying to get him to respond 286 00:12:51,370 --> 00:12:48,290 ever since and what is your best point 287 00:12:53,050 --> 00:12:51,380 against what Moncton say oh the most 288 00:12:56,590 --> 00:12:53,060 obvious ones I suppose would be the Miss 289 00:13:01,360 --> 00:12:56,600 quotes he had a series of quotations 290 00:13:03,130 --> 00:13:01,370 from various people and it's so easy I 291 00:13:04,900 --> 00:13:03,140 mean with facts it's the you know 292 00:13:06,310 --> 00:13:04,910 scientific facts is more difficult you 293 00:13:07,870 --> 00:13:06,320 have to go to sources and have to find 294 00:13:09,430 --> 00:13:07,880 it but with a quote either you're 295 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:09,440 quoting something correctly or you're 296 00:13:13,090 --> 00:13:11,090 not and if you go to the source of the 297 00:13:14,620 --> 00:13:13,100 quote and the way that more Lord 298 00:13:16,650 --> 00:13:14,630 Monckton portrays the quote and if 299 00:13:20,020 --> 00:13:16,660 they're completely different then 300 00:13:22,420 --> 00:13:20,030 clearly he's manipulated and and and 301 00:13:23,710 --> 00:13:22,430 he's distorted the other thing was there 302 00:13:27,100 --> 00:13:23,720 was a paper that he mentioned on 303 00:13:29,290 --> 00:13:27,110 Greenland Johanna s'en who's very famous 304 00:13:30,850 --> 00:13:29,300 glaciologist who had done something on 305 00:13:32,890 --> 00:13:30,860 the melting of the Greenland ice caps 306 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:32,900 and he had looked at the interior of 307 00:13:38,350 --> 00:13:35,930 Greenland and and said that the interior 308 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:38,360 is gaining ice but in the paper he said 309 00:13:42,700 --> 00:13:40,130 but of course on the coast it's ablating 310 00:13:44,500 --> 00:13:42,710 it's it's melting and in fact the 311 00:13:47,110 --> 00:13:44,510 overall if you look at the balance 312 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:47,120 between the the gain and the middle and 313 00:13:52,780 --> 00:13:49,730 the melting at the edge there is a net 314 00:13:54,250 --> 00:13:52,790 melting now what what Moncton did was he 315 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:54,260 said so you have to follow this mate 316 00:13:59,260 --> 00:13:57,530 what might and did was he took your 317 00:14:01,030 --> 00:13:59,270 Andersons paper saying that there was a 318 00:14:03,460 --> 00:14:01,040 gain and ice in the interior of 319 00:14:05,260 --> 00:14:03,470 Greenland and said therefore Johansen 320 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:05,270 concludes that Greenland is gaining ice 321 00:14:08,079 --> 00:14:07,010 which is not the conclusion of the paper 322 00:14:10,039 --> 00:14:08,089 at all 323 00:14:11,479 --> 00:14:10,049 selectively quoting its selectively 324 00:14:13,489 --> 00:14:11,489 quoting and then this effectively what 325 00:14:15,739 --> 00:14:13,499 he does he cherry-pick sand and he 326 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:15,749 distorts and and and and it's so easy 327 00:14:20,329 --> 00:14:17,730 the great thing about what Moncton what 328 00:14:24,710 --> 00:14:20,339 I love about him mr. Monckton as I call 329 00:14:27,109 --> 00:14:24,720 him is that he he gives his sources 330 00:14:29,239 --> 00:14:27,119 which is fatal if you're going to try 331 00:14:30,679 --> 00:14:29,249 and discredit science never give your 332 00:14:32,479 --> 00:14:30,689 sources because then all we can do is 333 00:14:33,859 --> 00:14:32,489 look it up and look at it and say well 334 00:14:35,239 --> 00:14:33,869 if you're quoting this paper I'll tell 335 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:35,249 you what the paper actually says 336 00:14:39,559 --> 00:14:37,769 although most people would give sources 337 00:14:40,549 --> 00:14:39,569 most people don't go bother looking just 338 00:14:41,809 --> 00:14:40,559 people like you they've got a lot of 339 00:14:43,309 --> 00:14:41,819 time on their hands obviously yeah 340 00:14:45,049 --> 00:14:43,319 that's right and that's unfortunately 341 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:45,059 the case whether the great thing is but 342 00:14:50,239 --> 00:14:47,970 it is easy to debunk if you're a you 343 00:14:52,220 --> 00:14:50,249 know a debunker and you want to go check 344 00:14:53,869 --> 00:14:52,230 what if you want to go for simple of 345 00:14:55,189 --> 00:14:53,879 mistakes like the food babe has been 346 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:55,199 doing recently where she's just been 347 00:15:01,699 --> 00:14:56,850 making stuff about the air on aeroplanes 348 00:15:03,079 --> 00:15:01,709 with no sources at all she's saying oh 349 00:15:04,999 --> 00:15:03,089 you know there's not a hundred percent 350 00:15:06,919 --> 00:15:05,009 oxygen on a plane like there is a ground 351 00:15:08,659 --> 00:15:06,929 level stuff like that I would not like 352 00:15:11,059 --> 00:15:08,669 that I mean what if someone lights up oh 353 00:15:12,949 --> 00:15:11,069 yeah well I mean one of the things about 354 00:15:15,259 --> 00:15:12,959 creation is is that they will never give 355 00:15:17,470 --> 00:15:15,269 a source except joven jóvenes fantastic 356 00:15:20,989 --> 00:15:17,480 because Eric not Eric Hovind his dad 357 00:15:22,609 --> 00:15:20,999 Kent Hovind will always give sources for 358 00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:22,619 his things and and and you can look at 359 00:15:27,949 --> 00:15:24,480 them and run my favorite one from Hovind 360 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:27,959 is where he was talking about how the 361 00:15:31,549 --> 00:15:29,610 Big Bang Theory works and it says it 362 00:15:33,409 --> 00:15:31,559 starts with a little bit of dirt and it 363 00:15:35,900 --> 00:15:33,419 swirls around and around and then it 364 00:15:38,569 --> 00:15:35,910 condenses and then hydrogen to helium 365 00:15:40,249 --> 00:15:38,579 and and I thought no he's not describing 366 00:15:42,439 --> 00:15:40,259 and I looked at his source and his 367 00:15:44,449 --> 00:15:42,449 source was actually an exercise textbook 368 00:15:47,389 --> 00:15:44,459 from a school describing the birth of a 369 00:15:50,359 --> 00:15:47,399 star and once you know that you think 370 00:15:53,059 --> 00:15:50,369 this is like shooting ducks in a barrel 371 00:15:55,369 --> 00:15:53,069 it is so easy to knock these guys down 372 00:15:57,139 --> 00:15:55,379 and how easy is it to continually make 373 00:15:59,900 --> 00:15:57,149 the videos of you on your video channel 374 00:16:02,419 --> 00:15:59,910 because you're prolific yeah no I I'm 375 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:02,429 kind of well actually my son is here 376 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:04,410 today and he's one of the reasons why 377 00:16:08,539 --> 00:16:05,970 I'm going back to work now because he's 378 00:16:11,479 --> 00:16:08,549 old enough to fend for himself and my 379 00:16:13,669 --> 00:16:11,489 daughter is now 21 and while I was at 380 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:13,679 home and and not working quite so much 381 00:16:16,999 --> 00:16:15,569 and I had time on my hands to do these 382 00:16:18,289 --> 00:16:17,009 things I've now gone back too late 383 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:18,299 you're basically driven your son out of 384 00:16:20,300 --> 00:16:18,930 the house 385 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:20,310 that's what you've done he's out he's 386 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:23,370 out we've we've you know given him the 387 00:16:26,450 --> 00:16:24,810 keys to the car locked the front door 388 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:26,460 and you can't go back in that's the way 389 00:16:30,380 --> 00:16:28,410 to do it you've got a you know it's like 390 00:16:33,829 --> 00:16:30,390 tearing off a band-aid a clean it was a 391 00:16:35,570 --> 00:16:33,839 second-hand Mazda what you get approach 392 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:35,580 that's not too bad it's not too bad but 393 00:16:38,660 --> 00:16:36,810 you could have done a bit better maybe 394 00:16:39,860 --> 00:16:38,670 forget it 395 00:16:42,889 --> 00:16:39,870 giving him a better car he would have 396 00:16:44,660 --> 00:16:42,899 gone earlier he's still at home but he 397 00:16:46,430 --> 00:16:44,670 can fend for himself though and and 398 00:16:48,110 --> 00:16:46,440 that's the main thing and I I'm now I 399 00:16:49,579 --> 00:16:48,120 can go back to work happy knowing that 400 00:16:50,630 --> 00:16:49,589 we put the kids through the system and 401 00:16:53,210 --> 00:16:50,640 they're old enough now to fend for 402 00:16:54,980 --> 00:16:53,220 themself what fires you up what right 403 00:16:56,740 --> 00:16:54,990 I've got to make a youtube video right 404 00:16:59,449 --> 00:16:56,750 now what normally makes you fired that 405 00:17:01,190 --> 00:16:59,459 there was one that came through the 406 00:17:03,410 --> 00:17:01,200 other someone sent me something now I 407 00:17:04,910 --> 00:17:03,420 get so many people sending me things and 408 00:17:06,650 --> 00:17:04,920 I really don't have time to look at 409 00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:06,660 everything unfortunately but this one I 410 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:08,160 happened to click on because I had a few 411 00:17:13,220 --> 00:17:11,250 minutes to spare and it was someone 412 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:13,230 called the two preachers who were saying 413 00:17:17,419 --> 00:17:15,329 that there's a sign at the end times 414 00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:17,429 because they noticed that just down the 415 00:17:22,340 --> 00:17:19,280 road from them there was a sinkhole and 416 00:17:24,919 --> 00:17:22,350 and they've noticed on YouTube a lot 417 00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:24,929 more sinkholes are showing up and this 418 00:17:28,100 --> 00:17:26,640 is clearly you know you never heard 419 00:17:31,580 --> 00:17:28,110 about these things happening a few years 420 00:17:33,470 --> 00:17:31,590 ago clearly this is a yeah may not 421 00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:33,480 making a face which is kind of like the 422 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:36,510 face I made when it's like what there's 423 00:17:39,799 --> 00:17:38,730 been many famous sinkholes in in US 424 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:39,809 harbors that they've had to shut 425 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:41,370 mattresses into over the years you know 426 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:43,650 yeah and in fact I went back and dug out 427 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:44,970 from the scientific literature going 428 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:48,690 back to 1868 the the references to 429 00:17:53,180 --> 00:17:50,970 sinkholes and they're not an unknown 430 00:17:54,980 --> 00:17:53,190 phenomenon so the fact that these guys 431 00:17:56,090 --> 00:17:54,990 have only just woken up to it and 432 00:17:57,290 --> 00:17:56,100 they've just heard about it and they 433 00:17:59,660 --> 00:17:57,300 admit what we've only just heard about 434 00:18:01,190 --> 00:17:59,670 these things must be a sign of the end 435 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:01,200 times I thought this is great that's 436 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:03,330 something that makes people really 437 00:18:08,780 --> 00:18:06,809 stupid look stupid I think is is just 438 00:18:10,970 --> 00:18:08,790 great I mean if I can put an element of 439 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:10,980 humor I love to put humor into the the 440 00:18:14,690 --> 00:18:13,290 videos that I do well I mean oh is it 441 00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:14,700 completely wrong I mean the work of 442 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:17,840 Taylor Swift is a sign of the end times 443 00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:21,510 she's a goddess I mean you know the new 444 00:18:25,610 --> 00:18:23,760 Mozart but getting getting back to your 445 00:18:27,620 --> 00:18:25,620 question so that's I kind of like cut 446 00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:27,630 down on the videos I did and and I I 447 00:18:32,290 --> 00:18:30,240 haven't made one now for six months the 448 00:18:35,660 --> 00:18:32,300 last one that I did 449 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:35,670 is the first one I've done in quite a 450 00:18:39,860 --> 00:18:37,650 while it was called how to argue with 451 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:39,870 our souls and now what's the name of 452 00:18:43,970 --> 00:18:41,370 your channel how do we find it okay it's 453 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:43,980 called potholder 54 just just put 454 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:46,290 potholder 54 into the search engine in 455 00:18:50,090 --> 00:18:48,330 YouTube and you should find me and we 456 00:18:51,350 --> 00:18:50,100 should always be have our critical 457 00:18:52,970 --> 00:18:51,360 thinking hats on whenever we were 458 00:18:55,100 --> 00:18:52,980 watching reading or listening to any 459 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:55,110 media shouldn't we oh absolutely yeah 460 00:18:59,090 --> 00:18:57,810 and especially if someone is saying 461 00:19:00,560 --> 00:18:59,100 something that is completely out of 462 00:19:02,810 --> 00:19:00,570 character because the examples they gave 463 00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:02,820 my speech today with scientists who were 464 00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:03,840 saying something that was completely 465 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:06,000 different to what they have said before 466 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:08,730 and since and and when you hear that you 467 00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:10,050 think well hang on a minute how do they 468 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:12,240 get these guys to say that and now you 469 00:19:15,770 --> 00:19:14,010 can look at the television technique the 470 00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:15,780 cutaway technique that's used in order 471 00:19:19,070 --> 00:19:17,760 to make them say that and I hope that'll 472 00:19:19,790 --> 00:19:19,080 make people a little bit more aware of 473 00:19:21,140 --> 00:19:19,800 how that's done 474 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:21,150 what do you think of the house style 475 00:19:24,260 --> 00:19:22,530 that I've seen a few times I mentioned 476 00:19:25,790 --> 00:19:24,270 the white flash that MTV first kind of 477 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:25,800 started with you've actually now seeing 478 00:19:29,660 --> 00:19:28,410 jump cuts on Discovery Channel and thing 479 00:19:31,730 --> 00:19:29,670 like that they're actually showing jump 480 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:31,740 cuts how do you feel about them being as 481 00:19:37,820 --> 00:19:35,730 honest as that yeah it's more honest I 482 00:19:40,660 --> 00:19:37,830 guess than the cutaway but the the 483 00:19:43,220 --> 00:19:40,670 Hancock film that I referenced so if 484 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:43,230 people weren't watching my my speech 485 00:19:47,630 --> 00:19:45,690 this was the question for a lost 486 00:19:49,370 --> 00:19:47,640 civilization by Graham Hancock it's 487 00:19:51,290 --> 00:19:49,380 about 20 years old but it is on YouTube 488 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:51,300 and the one that I was looking at was 489 00:19:56,330 --> 00:19:53,930 the on a Gooney monument in in Japan and 490 00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:56,340 throughout the dive where these 491 00:20:00,200 --> 00:19:58,080 scientists are diving into the water 492 00:20:02,150 --> 00:20:00,210 they aren't jumping from one quote to 493 00:20:03,950 --> 00:20:02,160 another quote a frame here a frame layer 494 00:20:06,140 --> 00:20:03,960 and they're getting error little bits 495 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:06,150 which they put together but I think the 496 00:20:09,530 --> 00:20:08,010 thing is that you Pro even that even 497 00:20:11,450 --> 00:20:09,540 though there's no cutaway they're making 498 00:20:14,090 --> 00:20:11,460 a coherent quote or apparently a 499 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:14,100 coherent quote it can still be deceptive 500 00:20:17,900 --> 00:20:16,170 there was actually a bit where Robert 501 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:17,910 Schoch was coming out of the water and 502 00:20:24,020 --> 00:20:20,250 he said he was gushing about this well 503 00:20:25,670 --> 00:20:24,030 this looks incredible and I said to him 504 00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:25,680 now just at that point they seem to have 505 00:20:29,690 --> 00:20:27,360 cut the film you went on to say 506 00:20:31,330 --> 00:20:29,700 something and he did he said he went on 507 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:31,340 to say but I don't think this is a 508 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:34,290 man-made feature they cut that this is 509 00:20:38,060 --> 00:20:35,730 incredible and then they go to Graham 510 00:20:39,530 --> 00:20:38,070 Hancock saying what's more incredible is 511 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:39,540 and and and and of course the whole 512 00:20:42,410 --> 00:20:40,650 thing makes you think that these 513 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:42,420 scientists are endorsing what Hancock 514 00:20:46,030 --> 00:20:44,450 says and in fact they didn't they do 515 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:46,040 in Dorset at all and of course you 516 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:47,450 shouldn't be more suspicious of one 517 00:20:50,170 --> 00:20:48,650 source than another you should be 518 00:20:51,820 --> 00:20:50,180 careful with all sources shouldn't you 519 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:51,830 not just like the right-wing leaning 520 00:20:55,180 --> 00:20:52,130 ones 521 00:20:56,140 --> 00:20:55,190 Oh God yet I don't I don't put politics 522 00:20:58,450 --> 00:20:56,150 into this at all 523 00:21:00,250 --> 00:20:58,460 I I mean I find it rather insulting to 524 00:21:04,270 --> 00:21:00,260 think that conservatives have a monopoly 525 00:21:07,270 --> 00:21:04,280 on stupidity I I mean I've I've actually 526 00:21:08,860 --> 00:21:07,280 been very critical in my videos of al 527 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:08,870 jazeera for example that once did a 528 00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,410 story I mean I'm not anti I'm not pro 529 00:21:15,580 --> 00:21:14,240 climate science or anti climate science 530 00:21:17,530 --> 00:21:15,590 that's not the point the point is 531 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:17,540 accuracy and there was an Al Jazeera 532 00:21:21,850 --> 00:21:19,970 program where they had a reporter wading 533 00:21:24,340 --> 00:21:21,860 through the water of a an island off the 534 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:24,350 coast of Panama saying the fishermen 535 00:21:27,820 --> 00:21:25,970 here say the water used to be down at my 536 00:21:29,260 --> 00:21:27,830 ankles 20 years ago now it's up to my 537 00:21:30,730 --> 00:21:29,270 waist this is a clear sign that sea 538 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:30,740 levels are rising and I thought hang on 539 00:21:34,930 --> 00:21:33,050 a minute that's like a meter we're have 540 00:21:36,460 --> 00:21:34,940 sea levels been rising a metre we're 541 00:21:39,220 --> 00:21:36,470 measuring them in terms of millimeters 542 00:21:41,020 --> 00:21:39,230 every year so I checked where she had 543 00:21:44,170 --> 00:21:41,030 been and it was an island off the coast 544 00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,180 of Panama which is on a small crust all 545 00:21:49,030 --> 00:21:46,640 played very small one and it's sinking 546 00:21:50,650 --> 00:21:49,040 and clearly what's happening is it's not 547 00:21:53,290 --> 00:21:50,660 the sea levels rising but the land is 548 00:21:55,870 --> 00:21:53,300 sinking ironically she spoke to the very 549 00:21:57,310 --> 00:21:55,880 scientist who wrote a paper which talked 550 00:21:58,990 --> 00:21:57,320 about this and for some reason she 551 00:22:00,250 --> 00:21:59,000 either didn't ask him the question or 552 00:22:02,890 --> 00:22:00,260 they didn't have it in when the answer 553 00:22:05,010 --> 00:22:02,900 that that's the cause this is not a sea 554 00:22:07,930 --> 00:22:05,020 level so she had this gushing report on 555 00:22:09,820 --> 00:22:07,940 sea level rise and how awful it was due 556 00:22:11,740 --> 00:22:09,830 to climate change and it's completely 557 00:22:14,380 --> 00:22:11,750 inaccurate and and I always say to 558 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:14,390 people who are in you know accepting the 559 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:15,650 science on climate change don't 560 00:22:20,170 --> 00:22:18,410 exaggerate it don't lie about it don't 561 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:20,180 try and make it worse than it is because 562 00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:22,370 if you do that if you're caught out then 563 00:22:25,210 --> 00:22:23,360 they're going to think the whole thing 564 00:22:27,460 --> 00:22:25,220 is discredited so you have to be 565 00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:27,470 accurate and whatever you do is there a 566 00:22:32,860 --> 00:22:29,840 website that tracks this kind of thing 567 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:32,870 generally or not oh look my YouTube 568 00:22:39,790 --> 00:22:36,050 channel is the very best way to I I 569 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:39,800 think I've done now 24 25 oh no it's up 570 00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:42,050 to 27 now videos on climate science and 571 00:22:46,540 --> 00:22:44,720 every single one is looking apart from 572 00:22:47,950 --> 00:22:46,550 the ones that deal specifically with the 573 00:22:50,140 --> 00:22:47,960 science they're about three videos which 574 00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:50,150 just look at the science the evidence 575 00:22:54,340 --> 00:22:52,310 for climate change all of the rest of 576 00:22:55,810 --> 00:22:54,350 them are basically looking at the myths 577 00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:55,820 that are going around the internet that 578 00:23:01,180 --> 00:22:57,440 people send me or the ones that 579 00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:01,190 I find and but debunking them you know 580 00:23:05,289 --> 00:23:03,110 the latest one is that old global 581 00:23:09,340 --> 00:23:05,299 warming stopped in 1998 there's another 582 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:09,350 one that says scientists in the 1960s 583 00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,330 and 70s were predicting an ice age and 584 00:23:14,830 --> 00:23:13,039 the other one I like is there's no 585 00:23:16,810 --> 00:23:14,840 correlation over the last 500 years 586 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:16,820 million years there was the one that got 587 00:23:20,019 --> 00:23:18,529 me is because I remember yes in Time 588 00:23:21,879 --> 00:23:20,029 magazine they're predicting an ice age 589 00:23:24,009 --> 00:23:21,889 there and then they were not not right 590 00:23:25,779 --> 00:23:24,019 at all what went wrong there well what 591 00:23:29,379 --> 00:23:25,789 went wrong there is what went wrong with 592 00:23:31,889 --> 00:23:29,389 the media I I you know you can't look at 593 00:23:34,749 --> 00:23:31,899 the media and say this is scientific 594 00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:34,759 Time magazine magazine it must be true 595 00:23:38,350 --> 00:23:36,110 well actually Penn & Teller did 596 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:38,360 something on this and Penn I said it's 597 00:23:42,129 --> 00:23:40,490 in Time magazine to him it must be true 598 00:23:45,249 --> 00:23:42,139 and and of course the trouble is that 599 00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:45,259 the media do get science hopelessly 600 00:23:49,060 --> 00:23:47,120 wrong the last talk I did for the 601 00:23:52,990 --> 00:23:49,070 skeptics was on that very subject it was 602 00:23:54,159 --> 00:23:53,000 on the the really bad science reporting 603 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:54,169 that's going on because a lot of 604 00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:55,850 newspapers and magazines don't have 605 00:23:59,799 --> 00:23:57,919 science reporters the al-jazeera story 606 00:24:02,200 --> 00:23:59,809 which I just mentioned was actually 607 00:24:03,460 --> 00:24:02,210 their environment reporter and you see 608 00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:03,470 if you look at something from the point 609 00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:04,820 of view of the environment rather than 610 00:24:08,649 --> 00:24:06,830 science you're usually getting someone 611 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:08,659 who's doing a gushing human interest 612 00:24:12,190 --> 00:24:10,250 story in these poor people whose 613 00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,200 environment is being destroyed rather 614 00:24:16,180 --> 00:24:14,240 than looking at the science of it and 615 00:24:19,749 --> 00:24:16,190 why is this happening and what's causing 616 00:24:21,789 --> 00:24:19,759 it so yeah I mean the media certainly 617 00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:21,799 were reporting an ice age in the 60s and 618 00:24:26,860 --> 00:24:24,799 70s but a survey that was done of the 619 00:24:31,899 --> 00:24:26,870 scientific papers at the time found the 620 00:24:33,879 --> 00:24:31,909 vast majority were expecting warming and 621 00:24:35,950 --> 00:24:33,889 the reason that there was cooling at 622 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:35,960 that time was because of the pollution 623 00:24:39,850 --> 00:24:38,330 and they were new pollution laws came 624 00:24:41,889 --> 00:24:39,860 into the 70s and in fact a couple of 625 00:24:43,570 --> 00:24:41,899 papers did actually point out once these 626 00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:43,580 new pollution laws come into effect and 627 00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:45,529 aerosols are reduced because aerosols of 628 00:24:49,869 --> 00:24:48,169 course do mask global warming as I doing 629 00:24:52,659 --> 00:24:49,879 now with all the aerosols produced by 630 00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,669 China then we predict that warming is 631 00:24:57,129 --> 00:24:54,799 going to continue and indeed it did and 632 00:25:00,119 --> 00:24:57,139 so the predictions of the scientists in 633 00:25:02,919 --> 00:25:00,129 the 50s and 60s were absolutely spot-on 634 00:25:04,869 --> 00:25:02,929 people get very hung up on what the 635 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:04,879 media says and I always have to warn 636 00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:06,730 them whatever you see in a newspaper 637 00:25:10,749 --> 00:25:09,049 check the source if they quote a 638 00:25:12,639 --> 00:25:10,759 scientist go to that scientist 639 00:25:15,069 --> 00:25:12,649 find out what he's published read the 640 00:25:16,509 --> 00:25:15,079 paper that he's published if you can or 641 00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:16,519 at least the abstract and see if it 642 00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:18,289 actually fits in with what the 643 00:25:21,819 --> 00:25:20,089 newspapers said and make sure the 644 00:25:23,859 --> 00:25:21,829 newspaper is not cherry-picking make 645 00:25:27,249 --> 00:25:23,869 sure the paper hasn't been withdrawn or 646 00:25:28,659 --> 00:25:27,259 has been commented on there are there 647 00:25:30,430 --> 00:25:28,669 are various ways of reading the 648 00:25:32,379 --> 00:25:30,440 scientific literature a great way by the 649 00:25:34,779 --> 00:25:32,389 way is to read reviews because papers 650 00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,789 can either be Studies on a specific 651 00:25:38,979 --> 00:25:36,799 thing or you can write a paper which is 652 00:25:40,569 --> 00:25:38,989 reviewing the literature in a certain 653 00:25:42,849 --> 00:25:40,579 field and that's a great way for science 654 00:25:44,619 --> 00:25:42,859 journalists like me to operate is to 655 00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:44,629 look at the reviews first to get a 656 00:25:48,999 --> 00:25:47,089 handle on who's writing what and and 657 00:25:50,109 --> 00:25:49,009 what the outcome is so you pretty much 658 00:25:51,129 --> 00:25:50,119 you're saying wherever you're going 659 00:25:52,329 --> 00:25:51,139 whatever you're reading take your 660 00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:52,339 critical thinking with you absolutely 661 00:25:56,469 --> 00:25:54,799 yes and and I I think we should be 662 00:25:57,639 --> 00:25:56,479 teaching critical thinking in schools a 663 00:26:00,819 --> 00:25:57,649 lot more than we do 664 00:26:02,589 --> 00:26:00,829 I mean you know it's great to be talking 665 00:26:04,479 --> 00:26:02,599 today to kindred spirits among the 666 00:26:06,389 --> 00:26:04,489 skeptics here you know you know you're 667 00:26:09,129 --> 00:26:06,399 talking to an audience that gets it and 668 00:26:12,009 --> 00:26:09,139 that was why you know I really enjoyed 669 00:26:14,349 --> 00:26:12,019 speaking here but of course the vast 670 00:26:16,389 --> 00:26:14,359 majority of people are not into that 671 00:26:18,689 --> 00:26:16,399 kind of thing and they are happy to let 672 00:26:20,649 --> 00:26:18,699 the television wash over them and just 673 00:26:22,869 --> 00:26:20,659 accept whatever they think it's saying 674 00:26:25,959 --> 00:26:22,879 it's very a passive way of thinking and 675 00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:25,969 I think we need to create active ways of 676 00:26:30,339 --> 00:26:27,679 thinking and you can do that to yourself 677 00:26:31,659 --> 00:26:30,349 by going to potholder 54 out seeing what 678 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:31,669 you've done they're exposing these 679 00:26:35,499 --> 00:26:33,769 techniques people always ask me why is 680 00:26:37,899 --> 00:26:35,509 it potholer well Pato Lee used to be my 681 00:26:39,549 --> 00:26:37,909 nickname when I when I worked in in in 682 00:26:41,529 --> 00:26:39,559 an office in London the only time I've 683 00:26:45,639 --> 00:26:41,539 ever worked in an office and what you 684 00:26:48,969 --> 00:26:45,649 were downstairs in a booth like the IT 685 00:26:51,489 --> 00:26:48,979 Crowd no I I'm an I I majored in geology 686 00:26:53,619 --> 00:26:51,499 so so everybody when they heard I did 687 00:26:55,059 --> 00:26:53,629 geology they thought this had something 688 00:26:56,829 --> 00:26:55,069 to do about crawling underground in 689 00:26:59,019 --> 00:26:56,839 rocks so I got the nickname potholder 690 00:27:01,479 --> 00:26:59,029 okay well since term is mister geologist 691 00:27:06,399 --> 00:27:01,489 what's your favorite rock then favorite 692 00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:06,409 rock tonight it's a beautiful color it's 693 00:27:12,219 --> 00:27:09,289 is just lovely stuff and it this is its 694 00:27:13,899 --> 00:27:12,229 form deep under the earth and it's it 695 00:27:16,809 --> 00:27:13,909 comes up this lovely sort of greenish 696 00:27:17,829 --> 00:27:16,819 color now having said that I said I bet 697 00:27:19,329 --> 00:27:17,839 someone's going to read this and say 698 00:27:20,589 --> 00:27:19,339 hang on a minute I just looked that up 699 00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:20,599 and the Internet it's not green at all 700 00:27:24,250 --> 00:27:23,329 look I'm going back a long way I I did 701 00:27:26,830 --> 00:27:24,260 my degree in this 702 00:27:28,780 --> 00:27:26,840 so a lot of rocks have changed since 703 00:27:30,909 --> 00:27:28,790 then a lot of them have melted and 704 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:30,919 reformed so who knows it might be a 705 00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:32,450 different color now thank you hey there 706 00:27:56,730 --> 00:27:53,909 Pangos is hello an ally Dawson to her 707 00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:56,740 that the skeptics own podcasts roasted 708 00:28:00,390 --> 00:27:58,330 here does his oven da jman and in 709 00:28:01,230 --> 00:28:00,400 skeptic a fervent gift the vital 710 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:01,240 information 711 00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:03,330 Oberon's on the skeptic a magazine 712 00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:07,780 preserved vvv point and gave a loop a 713 00:28:15,330 --> 00:28:11,919 punk talk each vida holla vvv won't give 714 00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:15,340 a rupee Potok old owner of it's a on 715 00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:26,340 the skeptic zone is brought to you by 716 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:29,830 dr. Bob's trivia quiz visit dr. Bob's 717 00:28:41,610 --> 00:28:33,130 quiz dot wordpress.com and see if you 718 00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:41,620 can match wits with dr. Bob what we want 719 00:28:50,020 --> 00:28:45,760 is some more evidence please is Joe 720 00:28:50,030 --> 00:28:55,920 hello this is Joe alabaster 721 00:29:01,780 --> 00:28:59,020 well today I'm reporting from under a 722 00:29:03,610 --> 00:29:01,790 Juna there's a thunderstorm happening 723 00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:03,620 around me here in the Blue Mountains and 724 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:05,030 it doesn't seem to be letting up anytime 725 00:29:10,780 --> 00:29:08,330 soon I'm not under here because I'm cold 726 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:10,790 or afraid I'm attempting some makeshift 727 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:13,370 soundproofing so if you hear any thunder 728 00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:15,530 during this report I do apologize and 729 00:29:19,810 --> 00:29:17,600 hope that at times itself for dramatic 730 00:29:22,420 --> 00:29:19,820 effect much to the delight of his 731 00:29:25,260 --> 00:29:22,430 unashamedly geeky parents my son Oscar 732 00:29:27,850 --> 00:29:25,270 is rather enthusiastic about science 733 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:27,860 while at 5 years of age he's fairly 734 00:29:31,810 --> 00:29:29,450 certain that he's settled on a career in 735 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:31,820 paleontology he hasn't yet ruled out 736 00:29:35,740 --> 00:29:34,130 other Sciences so we're more than happy 737 00:29:38,530 --> 00:29:35,750 to give him access to microscopes 738 00:29:40,530 --> 00:29:38,540 telescopes do kitchen based chemistry 739 00:29:42,910 --> 00:29:40,540 experiments and physics at bath time 740 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:42,920 alongside the occasional trip to hunt 741 00:29:48,340 --> 00:29:44,450 for fossils or visit a Natural History 742 00:29:50,980 --> 00:29:48,350 Museum a geeky parenting is an absolute 743 00:29:52,570 --> 00:29:50,990 joy indulging the kids curiosity about 744 00:29:54,820 --> 00:29:52,580 the world around them seeing what 745 00:29:57,340 --> 00:29:54,830 hypotheses they come up with to explain 746 00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:57,350 their experiences suggesting ways that 747 00:30:01,870 --> 00:29:59,200 they can find our information in 748 00:30:04,180 --> 00:30:01,880 addition to plenty of hands-on exploring 749 00:30:06,910 --> 00:30:04,190 and experimenting with your YouTube 750 00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:06,920 videos do image searches with Safe 751 00:30:13,330 --> 00:30:09,860 Search on and look through books for 752 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:13,340 information and ideas so for Christmas 753 00:30:18,460 --> 00:30:16,250 alongside LEGO Minecraft toys Oscar 754 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:18,470 saved a few books a couple of them 755 00:30:25,150 --> 00:30:21,770 science related one magnet science 756 00:30:27,420 --> 00:30:25,160 seemed rather nifty and engaging it 757 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:27,430 contained a selection of magnets a 758 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:29,810 mercifully sealed container of iron 759 00:30:34,270 --> 00:30:32,450 filings and a series of experiments to 760 00:30:36,550 --> 00:30:34,280 perform reminiscent of the sorts of 761 00:30:39,670 --> 00:30:36,560 projects I grew up with on the Curiosity 762 00:30:42,130 --> 00:30:39,680 show make a fishing game make a compass 763 00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:42,140 construct an electromagnet under 764 00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:44,510 parental supervision all with brief 765 00:30:49,170 --> 00:30:46,550 explanations of the science behind what 766 00:30:52,450 --> 00:30:49,180 was occurring fantastic 767 00:30:57,900 --> 00:30:52,460 until I spotted the last page titled 768 00:31:00,220 --> 00:30:57,910 facts and feats quote magnet medicine 769 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:00,230 magnetic therapy is an alternative 770 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:03,010 medicine practice using magnetic fields 771 00:31:08,140 --> 00:31:05,690 no one knows for definite how it works 772 00:31:09,610 --> 00:31:08,150 but supporters of the therapy believe it 773 00:31:11,710 --> 00:31:09,620 helps to restore health by 774 00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,720 improving circulation as the magnets 775 00:31:15,850 --> 00:31:14,000 attract the iron in the blood increasing 776 00:31:19,270 --> 00:31:15,860 the supply of oxygen to the source of 777 00:31:21,670 --> 00:31:19,280 the pain others say the magnets reduce 778 00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:21,680 the negative energy in the body end 779 00:31:27,310 --> 00:31:22,640 quote 780 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:27,320 oh boy no one knows for definite how it 781 00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:28,070 works 782 00:31:36,130 --> 00:31:32,720 shown a mechanism by which it can work 783 00:31:37,810 --> 00:31:36,140 other than the placebo effect the 784 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:37,820 supporters of the therapy who believe 785 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:39,410 that magnets attract the iron in the 786 00:31:43,930 --> 00:31:41,330 blood they're wrong 787 00:31:46,990 --> 00:31:43,940 iron bound to hemoglobin is no longer 788 00:31:48,730 --> 00:31:47,000 ferromagnetic which is a good thing else 789 00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:48,740 we'd be hemorrhaging frequently as we 790 00:31:54,669 --> 00:31:50,990 walk around our homes and we'd literally 791 00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:54,679 explode when undergoing an MRI scan as 792 00:31:59,020 --> 00:31:56,960 for others saying that magnets reduced 793 00:32:00,370 --> 00:31:59,030 the negative energy in the body you 794 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:00,380 can't get much more meaningless than 795 00:32:07,419 --> 00:32:03,290 that negative energy is a vague concept 796 00:32:09,370 --> 00:32:07,429 supported by the anger - others say as 797 00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,380 for others saying that magnets reduce 798 00:32:12,910 --> 00:32:11,600 the negative energy in the body you 799 00:32:15,970 --> 00:32:12,920 can't get much more meaningless than 800 00:32:18,730 --> 00:32:15,980 that negative energy is a vague concept 801 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:18,740 and supported by the anecdotal others 802 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:22,850 say these are empty words why is this in 803 00:32:28,450 --> 00:32:26,210 my child's book on science this is not 804 00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:28,460 scientific at all the claim is pseudo 805 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:30,500 scientific and it's presentation is 806 00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:34,010 incredibly uncritical furthermore merely 807 00:32:37,660 --> 00:32:35,840 googling magnetic therapy returns 808 00:32:41,020 --> 00:32:37,670 several pages explaining that magnet 809 00:32:43,060 --> 00:32:41,030 therapy is a pseudoscience and utterly 810 00:32:45,070 --> 00:32:43,070 dumbfounded as to how on earth and 811 00:32:47,140 --> 00:32:45,080 author who did so well designing and 812 00:32:50,140 --> 00:32:47,150 explaining experiments over the previous 813 00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:50,150 47 pages of this book and they managed 814 00:32:54,010 --> 00:32:51,950 to write about electromagnetism in a 815 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:54,020 manner appropriate for children could 816 00:32:59,049 --> 00:32:56,090 get it so very wrong on the last page 817 00:33:01,000 --> 00:32:59,059 and it isn't as though there is a short 818 00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:01,010 supply of legitimate facts and feats 819 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:03,950 relating to magnets the second paragraph 820 00:33:08,860 --> 00:33:06,770 on the page is an excellent example it 821 00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:08,870 discusses the speeds reached by a maglev 822 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:12,710 train now that's fascinating and it's 823 00:33:22,980 --> 00:33:18,130 real the third paragraph though quote 824 00:33:25,049 --> 00:33:22,990 human magnet oral rail new from 825 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:25,059 Rumania set the world record for being 826 00:33:30,779 --> 00:33:28,090 the strongest human magnet magnetic 827 00:33:34,019 --> 00:33:30,789 objects including televisions spoons and 828 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:34,029 ions stick to his skin he doesn't know 829 00:33:38,430 --> 00:33:36,370 how he does it but he says he focuses 830 00:33:41,159 --> 00:33:38,440 his mind and releases the feeling of 831 00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:41,169 magnetic attraction which makes even the 832 00:33:50,460 --> 00:33:45,929 heaviest objects stick to him end quote 833 00:33:53,549 --> 00:33:50,470 human magnets have you ever seen a child 834 00:33:55,409 --> 00:33:53,559 stick a spoon to their nose it's a cute 835 00:33:57,060 --> 00:33:55,419 little parlor trick utilizing the angle 836 00:33:59,100 --> 00:33:57,070 of the nose the hairlessness and 837 00:34:00,510 --> 00:33:59,110 smoothness of the skin and some moisture 838 00:34:02,460 --> 00:34:00,520 from breath or a little 839 00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:02,470 naturally-occurring sebum to reduce 840 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:04,510 friction to make it appear that the 841 00:34:10,409 --> 00:34:07,690 spoon is stuck to the nose people 842 00:34:12,180 --> 00:34:10,419 practicing human magnetism oftentimes 843 00:34:14,909 --> 00:34:12,190 claim to be a mystical or mysterious 844 00:34:16,649 --> 00:34:14,919 power are very likely using the same 845 00:34:18,750 --> 00:34:16,659 tricks as the child with a spoon on 846 00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:18,760 their nose to balance objects on their 847 00:34:24,750 --> 00:34:22,240 faces and bodies objects always with a 848 00:34:27,329 --> 00:34:24,760 smooth surface are often placed against 849 00:34:29,550 --> 00:34:27,339 the upper chest upper arms upper back at 850 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:29,560 the top of a slightly protruding belly 851 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:32,770 or on the face or body surfaces which 852 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:34,330 are not quite perpendicular to the 853 00:34:37,950 --> 00:34:35,609 ground 854 00:34:40,589 --> 00:34:37,960 human magnets tend to have hairless 855 00:34:43,230 --> 00:34:40,599 smooth skin which combined with everyday 856 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:43,240 skin secretions create a surface which 857 00:34:49,530 --> 00:34:47,050 is non slippery skin elasticity also 858 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:49,540 plays a part our skin tends to conform 859 00:34:54,530 --> 00:34:51,609 somewhat to surfaces against which it is 860 00:34:57,150 --> 00:34:54,540 pressed particularly when forces applied 861 00:34:59,010 --> 00:34:57,160 now out of vanity I'm hesitant to 862 00:35:01,800 --> 00:34:59,020 describe the ideal skin for human 863 00:35:03,630 --> 00:35:01,810 magnetism tricks as being oily but I do 864 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:03,640 seem to be able to attach more pieces of 865 00:35:07,710 --> 00:35:05,170 cutlery to myself when I haven't 866 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:07,720 showered for a few hours if you want to 867 00:35:13,470 --> 00:35:09,609 see a photo of my efforts there's one on 868 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:13,480 my blog at evidence please donate there 869 00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:15,130 are some simple tests to check whether 870 00:35:20,609 --> 00:35:17,740 magnetism rather than balance smoothness 871 00:35:22,290 --> 00:35:20,619 and skin secretions is causing objects 872 00:35:25,859 --> 00:35:22,300 to apparently stick to somebody who 873 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:25,869 claims to be a human magnet suggested by 874 00:35:31,650 --> 00:35:28,210 our friend James Randi a sprinkling of 875 00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:31,660 talcum powder over the skin this reduces 876 00:35:36,290 --> 00:35:33,520 the friction and stickiness of the skin 877 00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:36,300 generally causing items to slip 878 00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:38,760 Benjamin Radford suggests a light coat 879 00:35:44,090 --> 00:35:41,940 of oil thin clothing or a thin layer of 880 00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:44,100 plastic should also show that magnetism 881 00:35:48,590 --> 00:35:46,380 isn't the cause of the object sticking a 882 00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:48,600 surely a magnetic force ought to be able 883 00:35:54,530 --> 00:35:52,440 to penetrate these materials no human 884 00:35:57,140 --> 00:35:54,540 magnet has ever been tested and shown to 885 00:35:58,960 --> 00:35:57,150 emit a magnetic field which has produced 886 00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:58,970 significant readings from a Gauss meter 887 00:36:03,350 --> 00:36:01,680 nor is the more simple test involving 888 00:36:06,070 --> 00:36:03,360 holding a compass near a human magnet 889 00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,080 showing evidence of a magnetic field 890 00:36:11,060 --> 00:36:08,880 given that some human magnets claim also 891 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:11,070 to be able to attract glass and ceramic 892 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:13,410 objects with smooth surfaces 893 00:36:18,020 --> 00:36:15,930 unsurprisingly it is possible that the 894 00:36:19,610 --> 00:36:18,030 claimed magnetism is some force of 895 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:19,620 attraction other than the magnetism 896 00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:21,930 we're familiar with in which case 897 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:24,750 magnetism is a term rendered as vague as 898 00:36:29,180 --> 00:36:26,610 the word energy used in similar 899 00:36:31,730 --> 00:36:29,190 circumstances and the story of oral 900 00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:31,740 revenue has even less reason to appear 901 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:35,520 in the magnet science book and yet 902 00:36:39,860 --> 00:36:37,410 despite how simple it is to debunk their 903 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:39,870 claims human magnets still make the news 904 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:42,210 every few years a boy covered in spoons 905 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:44,370 a woman with coin stuck to her face and 906 00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,890 overall revenue purported world-record 907 00:36:51,350 --> 00:36:48,720 holder with his irons and his television 908 00:36:53,180 --> 00:36:51,360 I can only guess that the media who 909 00:36:54,980 --> 00:36:53,190 report on human magnets feel that a 910 00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:54,990 fantastic Serling story is more 911 00:36:59,180 --> 00:36:56,700 interesting than the simple trick that's 912 00:37:02,840 --> 00:36:59,190 being performed and they may well be 913 00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:02,850 right I'm quite a fan of parlor tricks 914 00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:05,520 stage magic and illusions they're a fun 915 00:37:10,460 --> 00:37:08,280 way to encourage critical thought I love 916 00:37:12,830 --> 00:37:10,470 the combination of or delight laughs and 917 00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:12,840 wonder that they can evoke if I don't 918 00:37:16,070 --> 00:37:14,310 know how a trick is performed I have a 919 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:16,080 rather enjoyable puzzle to try and work 920 00:37:20,750 --> 00:37:18,690 out and when I do I can enjoy the skill 921 00:37:22,940 --> 00:37:20,760 of the performer being at this sleight 922 00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:22,950 of hand they take on presentation or 923 00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:24,420 whatever twist they're put on an old 924 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:27,480 trick to make it their own what I don't 925 00:37:31,790 --> 00:37:29,250 enjoy however is when a trick is 926 00:37:34,730 --> 00:37:31,800 presented as the truth I like my wires 927 00:37:36,650 --> 00:37:34,740 to be honest it's especially galling 928 00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:36,660 when the trick is presented as truth in 929 00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,670 a kids book purporting to be educational 930 00:37:44,180 --> 00:37:40,560 and scientific something which ought to 931 00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:44,190 be a trusted source as for telling kids 932 00:37:48,620 --> 00:37:45,990 that magnetic therapy is anything but 933 00:37:50,089 --> 00:37:48,630 pseudoscience I can only hope that 934 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:50,099 people who buy science 935 00:37:53,900 --> 00:37:51,690 books for children also heavily 936 00:37:55,489 --> 00:37:53,910 inclination to introduce them to and 937 00:38:00,079 --> 00:37:55,499 encourage critical thought and 938 00:38:02,059 --> 00:38:00,089 skepticism if you're interested in my 939 00:38:05,299 --> 00:38:02,069 writing it can be found on my blog at 940 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:05,309 evidence please net and I've just made a 941 00:38:09,410 --> 00:38:07,170 Facebook page for my blog and this 942 00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:09,420 segment would you like to test your 943 00:38:14,809 --> 00:38:10,859 psychic powers and guess what it's 944 00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:14,819 called that's correct 945 00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:18,839 it is the Wangaratta turnip society no 946 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:20,700 just do a Facebook search for evidence 947 00:38:40,570 --> 00:38:37,420 the skeptic magazine the journal from 948 00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,580 Australian skeptics subscribe online to 949 00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:42,800 the world's second oldest skeptical 950 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:48,110 magazine visit WWF XCOM a you and click 951 00:38:55,660 --> 00:38:51,290 the publication's link you can also find 952 00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:55,670 there over 30 years of back issues free 953 00:39:11,830 --> 00:38:58,880 to download the skeptic magazine from 954 00:39:13,390 --> 00:39:11,840 Australian skeptics aside have you won 955 00:39:15,580 --> 00:39:13,400 that if there's just more to your 956 00:39:17,170 --> 00:39:15,590 existence than having Vegemite on toast 957 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:17,180 in the morning well we're certainly at 958 00:39:21,340 --> 00:39:18,890 the right place here the Newcastle 959 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:21,350 psychic Expo we're going to talk to the 960 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:23,570 convener of the Expo Gary Wiseman and 961 00:39:28,510 --> 00:39:25,370 perhaps I'm gonna learn more about life 962 00:39:33,329 --> 00:39:28,520 love and really nice smelling incense 963 00:39:40,140 --> 00:39:38,339 a bit already Gary you have a circuit of 964 00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:40,150 psychic Expos around New South Wales not 965 00:39:44,339 --> 00:39:42,160 yet that's right we go throughout 966 00:39:45,959 --> 00:39:44,349 actually Queensland Victoria and 967 00:39:48,299 --> 00:39:45,969 Tasmania as well and live in New Zealand 968 00:39:49,769 --> 00:39:48,309 what are most people seeking when they 969 00:39:51,690 --> 00:39:49,779 come to a psychic expert because I 970 00:39:53,279 --> 00:39:51,700 expected to see a lot of stalls with 971 00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:53,289 crystals and there is a little bit of 972 00:39:56,190 --> 00:39:54,940 that but it's mainly psychics doing 973 00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:56,200 readings how many of you got here today 974 00:40:00,539 --> 00:39:58,210 well they're 14 today and there be 975 00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:00,549 another six at the weekend essentially a 976 00:40:05,009 --> 00:40:02,950 travelling psychic reading service with 977 00:40:05,700 --> 00:40:05,019 her very best readers from all over 978 00:40:07,859 --> 00:40:05,710 Australia 979 00:40:09,450 --> 00:40:07,869 and how do you rate them I mean how do 980 00:40:10,709 --> 00:40:09,460 you qualify them to be Heda they have to 981 00:40:12,299 --> 00:40:10,719 go through a test you have to give them 982 00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,309 ten things you're thinking of or pick a 983 00:40:15,749 --> 00:40:13,599 number from under ten how do you rate 984 00:40:18,539 --> 00:40:15,759 them it's a fairly subjective thing on 985 00:40:20,789 --> 00:40:18,549 my part it just falls on my experience 986 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:20,799 and intuition about who the best readers 987 00:40:23,999 --> 00:40:22,569 are and get a feeling from talking to 988 00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:24,009 people and then we give them a trial 989 00:40:28,109 --> 00:40:25,839 that trial usually involves three 990 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:28,119 readings and if the response is good 991 00:40:31,019 --> 00:40:29,650 come on the circuit with us but they 992 00:40:32,910 --> 00:40:31,029 have to earn their stripes because their 993 00:40:34,229 --> 00:40:32,920 reputation depends on it do they get to 994 00:40:35,089 --> 00:40:34,239 do best of five if they can't get 995 00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,099 through 996 00:40:39,299 --> 00:40:37,839 is there a like a lawyers or a doctors 997 00:40:41,099 --> 00:40:39,309 there a psychic because Association like 998 00:40:42,509 --> 00:40:41,109 a bar of psychics you can get booted out 999 00:40:44,579 --> 00:40:42,519 with if you're not a good one or there 1000 00:40:46,410 --> 00:40:44,589 is there a you know a guild psychics 1001 00:40:48,089 --> 00:40:46,420 tend to be rugged individuals who do 1002 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:48,099 their own thing they often don't know 1003 00:40:51,569 --> 00:40:49,450 much about what other people are doing 1004 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:51,579 maybe it's exactly the same in radio a 1005 00:40:54,959 --> 00:40:53,410 bit like that in radio - I've got no 1006 00:40:56,910 --> 00:40:54,969 idea what's going on a lot of people 1007 00:40:58,170 --> 00:40:56,920 wrecking it's just cold reading like 1008 00:40:59,729 --> 00:40:58,180 reading the person's face when you're 1009 00:41:01,769 --> 00:40:59,739 talking to them how much do you think is 1010 00:41:03,509 --> 00:41:01,779 cold reading and how much is being able 1011 00:41:04,259 --> 00:41:03,519 to like delve into their aura or 1012 00:41:06,089 --> 00:41:04,269 whatever they're getting this 1013 00:41:09,029 --> 00:41:06,099 information from we may unconsciously 1014 00:41:11,370 --> 00:41:09,039 pick up things about the in the face and 1015 00:41:13,170 --> 00:41:11,380 the responsibilities certainly can't 1016 00:41:14,789 --> 00:41:13,180 rely on that you just can't couldn't 1017 00:41:17,339 --> 00:41:14,799 rely on that even if you consciously did 1018 00:41:19,890 --> 00:41:17,349 for instance yesterday and I reading I 1019 00:41:21,150 --> 00:41:19,900 did for someone during our lecture I got 1020 00:41:23,999 --> 00:41:21,160 them to pick a card just to demonstrate 1021 00:41:26,579 --> 00:41:24,009 and I said they feel like here you're 1022 00:41:28,349 --> 00:41:26,589 going to do modeling in France and Italy 1023 00:41:30,660 --> 00:41:28,359 and she said she was flying out to Paris 1024 00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:30,670 tomorrow he couldn't possibly get that 1025 00:41:33,779 --> 00:41:32,200 that's that's one of the better ones 1026 00:41:35,370 --> 00:41:33,789 that I've picked up obviously not 1027 00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:35,380 legally binding but ever get people 1028 00:41:38,489 --> 00:41:36,880 complaining about the reading like it 1029 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:38,499 wasn't the one they wanted or it was 1030 00:41:42,420 --> 00:41:40,450 incorrect that sometimes happens because 1031 00:41:44,759 --> 00:41:42,430 what we're doing is not an easy thing 1032 00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,769 it's very difficult treating it to 1033 00:41:48,270 --> 00:41:46,480 things that you can't see in 1034 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:48,280 front of you and occasionally the 1035 00:41:52,140 --> 00:41:50,050 chemistry is not right between the 1036 00:41:54,750 --> 00:41:52,150 customer and the client we either offer 1037 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:54,760 a reading with another reader and if it 1038 00:41:58,500 --> 00:41:56,410 will always happy the second time around 1039 00:42:00,600 --> 00:41:58,510 but if they weren't we'd offer a 1040 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:00,610 complete refund and you've got he said 1041 00:42:05,070 --> 00:42:02,650 18 psychics here is it 14 today and 1042 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:05,080 they're all busy actually we do have two 1043 00:42:09,090 --> 00:42:06,970 coming in later today so you must have 1044 00:42:10,650 --> 00:42:09,100 picked that up I think everybody told me 1045 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:10,660 to ask you how come you didn't know I 1046 00:42:13,410 --> 00:42:12,010 was gonna ring and something like that 1047 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:13,420 do you get people asking you we have 1048 00:42:15,870 --> 00:42:14,770 smarty bums on the phone going no I 1049 00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:15,880 don't need to tell you it is you must 1050 00:42:18,990 --> 00:42:17,470 know they always say if I had a dollar 1051 00:42:20,730 --> 00:42:19,000 for every person that's made a joke 1052 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:20,740 based on you should have known I'd be a 1053 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:22,450 millionaire how do people react when 1054 00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:23,650 normally tell them you're a psychic 1055 00:42:26,370 --> 00:42:24,910 because I get a bit scared because I 1056 00:42:27,930 --> 00:42:26,380 think you might see the real me inside 1057 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:27,940 and I work very hard to not let people 1058 00:42:32,310 --> 00:42:29,890 see that when I'm away from work the 1059 00:42:34,350 --> 00:42:32,320 last thing I want to do is be trying to 1060 00:42:35,820 --> 00:42:34,360 delve into people's minds and how do you 1061 00:42:37,740 --> 00:42:35,830 do it a lot of people some people use 1062 00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:37,750 tea leaves some people use an object 1063 00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:39,250 from the person's life than hold of some 1064 00:42:44,460 --> 00:42:40,720 people even stare into a globe how do 1065 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:44,470 you do it two tools that suit me are 1066 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:47,410 Tarot all actually now I use more animal 1067 00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:49,210 cards so those are the type of Tarot and 1068 00:42:53,730 --> 00:42:51,670 also astrology they're the two that suit 1069 00:42:55,170 --> 00:42:53,740 me where someone else identifiers more 1070 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:55,180 with the patterns on the hand so they'd 1071 00:42:59,250 --> 00:42:56,770 be draw out of palmistry and either 1072 00:43:01,350 --> 00:42:59,260 Tarot or animal cards I've created my 1073 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:01,360 own set of animal cards where you can 1074 00:43:04,830 --> 00:43:03,130 read animals and read it the way you 1075 00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:04,840 would a tarot card can you get a rhesus 1076 00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:06,730 monkey card we do have the monkey and 1077 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:08,830 the monkey represents more playful 1078 00:43:13,650 --> 00:43:11,530 energy or bit tricky or whatever but 1079 00:43:14,940 --> 00:43:13,660 what one don't you want what card don't 1080 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:14,950 you want to see come out of the animal 1081 00:43:19,410 --> 00:43:17,050 pack the thing with the animal cards is 1082 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:19,420 that all all of them are pretty equality 1083 00:43:23,340 --> 00:43:21,250 but you might since we don't like 1084 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:23,350 reptiles usually there's snake probably 1085 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:24,370 is something you don't particularly want 1086 00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:26,530 to see but it's got as good and bad side 1087 00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:28,150 just like any other card the one that 1088 00:43:32,580 --> 00:43:30,550 always worries everybody in Tarot must 1089 00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:32,590 be the death card no one wants to see 1090 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:34,180 the death card particular death card and 1091 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:35,890 the emperor card together upside down 1092 00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:37,930 not a good one thing is that the layman 1093 00:43:41,340 --> 00:43:39,760 that would seem very scary well it does 1094 00:43:43,050 --> 00:43:41,350 and that's one reason I've moved away 1095 00:43:44,460 --> 00:43:43,060 from Tarot to animal cards because 1096 00:43:46,650 --> 00:43:44,470 animals are less threatening could you 1097 00:43:48,510 --> 00:43:46,660 try maybe top-shelf alcohol cards like 1098 00:43:50,430 --> 00:43:48,520 you could have a Stoli vodka a Bailey's 1099 00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,440 you know a coffee liqueur that would 1100 00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:52,240 make people food even more at ease 1101 00:43:55,410 --> 00:43:53,710 think if you're an alcoholic that would 1102 00:43:56,610 --> 00:43:55,420 be a wonderful tool few tears you'd 1103 00:43:58,350 --> 00:43:56,620 really identify with it 1104 00:43:59,520 --> 00:43:58,360 are you picking up anything on me at all 1105 00:44:00,930 --> 00:43:59,530 from meeting me this morning for the 1106 00:44:03,330 --> 00:44:00,940 first time I 1107 00:44:06,180 --> 00:44:03,340 tune into people when they ask me to and 1108 00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:06,190 I don't intrude on people's space but 1109 00:44:08,820 --> 00:44:07,480 what about missing people I mean you 1110 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:08,830 would Mel to tell me where Greg Evans is 1111 00:44:12,930 --> 00:44:11,890 now with you Richard Moorcroft bill vane 1112 00:44:14,670 --> 00:44:12,940 Delaney all these people just 1113 00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,680 disappeared yes so they probably up near 1114 00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:16,480 byron bay somewhere enjoying the good 1115 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:18,310 life we're talking to Gary Wiseman who's 1116 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:20,530 the convenient organizer of the psychic 1117 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:22,570 Expo which too is Australia and what's 1118 00:44:25,530 --> 00:44:23,890 your favorite greeting I like to say 1119 00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:25,540 live long and prosper what your favorite 1120 00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,250 yes I'll have to think about I like the 1121 00:44:31,410 --> 00:44:29,440 biggest star Trekkie fan I like the 1122 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:31,420 possible one and also musically you've 1123 00:44:34,770 --> 00:44:33,130 got some very calming music there is 1124 00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:34,780 that very special I mean I'm myself I'd 1125 00:44:37,590 --> 00:44:36,190 you know I but some sort of pumping 1126 00:44:38,910 --> 00:44:37,600 dance music going if I was actually 1127 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:38,920 having my reading done you know like 1128 00:44:55,980 --> 00:44:53,040 all the alcohol and the alcohol readings 1129 00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:55,990 and the the pumping music I think I'm 1130 00:44:59,160 --> 00:44:57,760 here in the foyer with a lady who's just 1131 00:45:02,280 --> 00:44:59,170 too had a reading how long was your 1132 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:02,290 reading for 25 minutes and how did it go 1133 00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:03,850 I mean I don't want to get too personal 1134 00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:05,230 but how do you think it went 1135 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:07,990 interesting some things I found very fun 1136 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:09,550 on and some things were enlightening 1137 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:11,290 might not like what they said but was 1138 00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:12,970 enlightening and how did they do it was 1139 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:14,710 there an object of jewelry they held or 1140 00:45:19,110 --> 00:45:16,210 did they have a laying on of hands how 1141 00:45:20,940 --> 00:45:19,120 did it work read my palms first and then 1142 00:45:22,770 --> 00:45:20,950 Mike did my aura so there's a percentage 1143 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:22,780 how right do you think they were about 1144 00:45:26,970 --> 00:45:25,930 60 70 60 to 70 yes did you hear anything 1145 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:26,980 you didn't want to hear 1146 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:29,890 definitely anything so is that going to 1147 00:45:31,980 --> 00:45:30,850 be something where you might have to 1148 00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,990 change your life where you're gonna go 1149 00:45:36,060 --> 00:45:33,520 now that's just wrong I'll probably 1150 00:45:38,010 --> 00:45:36,070 change my attitude and accept more than 1151 00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,020 anything and why did you come here in 1152 00:45:42,090 --> 00:45:40,240 the first place to get some answers to 1153 00:45:43,650 --> 00:45:42,100 some things what sort of mood we take 1154 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:43,660 away from here leaving here do you feel 1155 00:45:48,660 --> 00:45:46,530 enlightened and powered or do you go oh 1156 00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:48,670 thank you very much for your time live 1157 00:45:58,520 --> 00:45:55,430 hey Kenny oh hi Tom 1158 00:46:01,880 --> 00:45:58,530 I see this part yeah yes eight weather 1159 00:46:04,580 --> 00:46:01,890 oh look a unicorn unicorn there are no 1160 00:46:06,260 --> 00:46:04,590 such things as unicorns silly yes there 1161 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:06,270 is no there isn't 1162 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:09,090 hey guys what are you arguing about tom 1163 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:11,610 thinks unicorns are real say so our 1164 00:46:16,609 --> 00:46:13,770 let's look us up in the skeptics 1165 00:46:18,650 --> 00:46:16,619 dictionary the what how can we do this 1166 00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:18,660 in this park there is no computer here 1167 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:20,310 you guys probably don't know about the 1168 00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:22,530 skeptics dictionary app available now 1169 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:25,350 for iPhone iPad and iPod Touch in the 1170 00:46:30,620 --> 00:46:28,770 App Store Wow cool the app lets you 1171 00:46:32,420 --> 00:46:30,630 access all of the great skeptics 1172 00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:32,430 dictionary articles when you're on the 1173 00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:35,369 go here let me look up unicorns sound 1174 00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,250 cool Kenny prepare to be proven wrong it 1175 00:46:42,290 --> 00:46:40,560 says here the Unicorn is a creature from 1176 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:42,300 fables aha 1177 00:46:46,220 --> 00:46:44,970 actually I see now that someone just 1178 00:46:48,830 --> 00:46:46,230 dumped their ice cream cone on that 1179 00:47:00,930 --> 00:46:48,840 horse's head Thanks skeptics dictionary 1180 00:47:05,410 --> 00:47:03,400 thank you for listening to the skeptics 1181 00:47:09,579 --> 00:47:05,420 down here we go folks another year 1182 00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:09,589 another year of the skeptic zone what 1183 00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:10,430 lies ahead 1184 00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:11,599 well I'd can't see into the future 1185 00:47:17,319 --> 00:47:13,960 that's good cuz nobody else can either 1186 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:17,329 what lies ahead we'll find out as it 1187 00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:19,970 happens you and I together throughout 1188 00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:22,510 the year with our with our reporters to 1189 00:47:27,790 --> 00:47:25,609 look forward to more Maynard more Joe 1190 00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,800 alabaster now other reporters too when 1191 00:47:34,359 --> 00:47:29,839 they can they get very busy and I 1192 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:34,369 understand that but rest assured we're 1193 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:36,290 in for an interesting year as we are 1194 00:47:41,380 --> 00:47:39,410 every year I think ah still hot I think 1195 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:41,390 Fred the cat is actually lying some ways 1196 00:47:46,089 --> 00:47:44,089 probably in the bathtub because that's a 1197 00:47:51,310 --> 00:47:46,099 cool place for him to lie it is really a 1198 00:47:53,020 --> 00:47:51,320 hot sticky day in Sidney in a cup about 1199 00:47:54,730 --> 00:47:53,030 three weeks or so I'll be heading to 1200 00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:54,740 California for a little break to see 1201 00:47:59,230 --> 00:47:57,440 friends and family the show will keep 1202 00:48:01,060 --> 00:47:59,240 going I wonder who I can interview in 1203 00:48:04,210 --> 00:48:01,070 California I might catch up with Jeanie 1204 00:48:05,890 --> 00:48:04,220 Scott she's retired now but heavens 1205 00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:05,900 above she's a wonderful lady and worth 1206 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:07,369 chatting to I'll see what I can do about 1207 00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:10,970 that but for this week hoping for a cool 1208 00:48:13,780 --> 00:48:13,400 change I hope there's a cool change on 1209 00:48:15,970 --> 00:48:13,790 the way 1210 00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:15,980 this is Richard Saunders signing off 1211 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:21,680 from Sydney Australia you've been 1212 00:48:26,849 --> 00:48:25,010 listening to the skeptic zone visit our